SRON is developing ultra-low-noise transition edge sensors (TESs) based on a superconducting Ti/Au bilayer on a suspended SiN island with SiN legs for SAFARI aboard SPICA. We have two major concerns about realizing TESs with an ultra-low NEP of 2×10-19W/Hz: achieving lower thermal conductance and no excess noise with respect to the phonon noise. To realize TESs with phonon-noise-limited NEPs, we need to make thinner (c of ∼93mK and R_n of ∼158mΩ. These TESs were characterized under AC bias using our frequency-division multiplexing readout (1–3 MHz) system. TESs without the absorber show NEPs as low as 1.1×10-19W/Hz with a reasonable response speed (